Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:29:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
       LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [git patches] libata hibernation fixes
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> This adds code at a late stage (heading towards -rc4), but does
> eliminate a particular spin-up overcycling behavior associated with
> hibernation.

What does this have to do with hibernation? 

If it's a hibernation-only issue, then there is something wrong. 

Also, if it is an issue for normal power-off as well, then I wonder why 
this isn't an issue on Windows. Does windows not spin down disks at all?

IOW, I really don't think this is correct. 

I _do_ think that correct might be:

 - maybe we just do something odd and different, triggering some BIOS 
   behavior that isn't there under Windows.

   So we should power down thigns differently so that the BIOS.

 - quite possibly: we just should not spin down disks at all, and just 
   flush them and do the "park" command thing. If we're _really_ powering 
   off, the disks will spin down on their own when power goes away. Maybe 
   that's what Windows does?

So I really don't want to pull this, because I want to get more of an 
explanation for why we need to do this at all. I also don't think this is 
even appropriate at this stage in -rc.

Is it a regression? If so, that just strengthens the questions above - 
what did _we_ start doing wrong that this is needed at all? Let's just 
stop doing that, not add some idiotic black-list for somethign that _we_ 
do wrong.

			Linus
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