Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755555AbYKEWUn (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:20:43 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752265AbYKEWU3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:20:29 -0500 Received: from swm.pp.se ([212.247.200.143]:44497 "EHLO uplift.swm.pp.se" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751060AbYKEWU2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:20:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:20:25 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Daniel J Blueman cc: Linux Kernel , Linux Netdev , Linux Networking Subject: Re: time for TCP ECN defaulting to on? In-Reply-To: <6278d2220811040632u7a36d68ekad5de517fd0671bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <6278d2220811040632u7a36d68ekad5de517fd0671bb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 27 On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Daniel J Blueman wrote: > Is it time to enable TCP ECN per default and get the benefits, since > router support has been around and known-about for really considerable > time? I think enabling ECN by default is a bad idea. Looking at the largest core router vendor out there: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_2t/12_2t8/feature/guide/ftwrdecn.html#wp1031751 ECN has to actually be turned on in the routers along the way, it's not default behaviour. No ISP I know of does this, but I can do a poll of other ISP engineers in case more information is wanted. So the upside of enabling it is minimal (I'd gladly see data proving the opposite) and the downside is a lot of trouble with lots of older devices which behave badly when ECN is enabled. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/