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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:54:07 -0800
From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@gmail.com>
To: "Pavel Roskin" <proski@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [madwifi-project] [RFC] Closing the project
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:42 -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
>

>> > I think the biggest impediment to MadWifi development was not
>> > bureaucracy.  It was the non-free HAL.
>>
>> Not really, even with an alternative people are still used to coding
>> with it and find it easier to commit into an svn repository than
>> submit  patches upstream. Maybe our process is move involved but there
>> its also why Linux code has a certain quality in it. We tend to frown
>> upon crap. If MadWifi ever were to touch Linux it would be tainted
>> with CRAP.
>
> OK, HAL was not the only reason.  Let's say there is good bureaucracy
> and bad bureaucracy.  The difference is the former is helpful and the
> later is not.  The kernel is an excellent example of good bureaucracy
> that we should learn from.
>
> It would be great to have a detailed analysis why MadWifi failed.

It didn't fail, it was just not the best approach to support Linux
from the start, that's why *today* its just silly to go on with it,
specially since the vendor involved is *contributing* and helping to
implement support the right way.

>> Just my advice: let MadWifi die already, stop wasting your time.
>
> I understand what you mean, but I have to deal with MadWifi anyway.  As
> I said before, I'd rather share my fixes that keep them to myself.

Understood -- but perhaps you can identify what is lacking that you
need to better help push what is required and missing.

 Luis
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