Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754685AbYKRREd (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752957AbYKRREZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:25 -0500 Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca ([24.71.223.10]:28650 "EHLO idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752857AbYKRREY (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:04:24 -0500 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=t36uTbNctW2kqKI0HG0A:9 a=18xRyBx3kwlqNikTilUA:7 a=GxTNnvSIIhWljiopYVkRGvft5uUA:4 a=8vwIo7ogVYEA:10 a=Ipjc5-nZaCwA:10 Message-ID: <4922F596.1010805@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:04:22 -0600 From: Robert Hancock User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Markstr=F6m?= CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Developing non-commercial drivers ? References: <4922ED5A.3030808@shaw.ca> <7a9e70560811180852y9eb2bf6s8682609dcb10fd9f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7a9e70560811180852y9eb2bf6s8682609dcb10fd9f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2783 Lines: 65 Fredrik Markstr?m wrote: > Thanks for the prompt respons. > > I do agree that it would be better for everyone to release it under > GPL and I have already expressed that to our customer. > > At this point I feel that we have two possibilities, help our customer > violate GPL or say no to the project. I'd prefer a third option where > I could tell the customer that we can setup the project in a certain > way (some "cleanroom" setup ?) to ensure that the results can not be > considered derived work. The problem is that if it's coded specifically for Linux it's pretty much inherently a derived work. Things like the NVIDIA binary graphics driver, the old Atheros madwifi HAL stuff, etc. are on a little more solid ground as their binary part is theoretically OS-independent and there's an open-source shim layer to interface to the kernel, but some would say even they are taking some legal risk. > > Is your short answer also the definite answer considering this ? I don't think anyone on this list is a lawyer, and since this is a legal question, legal advice would be what I would suggest you and/or this company should have before considering going down the non-GPL driver road. The risk is mainly that a kernel contributor (or one of their employers like IBM, Red Hat, etc.) could sue them for violating the GPL. > > /Fredrik > > > > > 2008/11/18 Robert Hancock : >> Fredrik Markstr?m wrote: >>> Linus, others... >>> >>> I'm working for as a consultant for a large hardware company porting >>> Linux to their new cpu-architecture and everything is pretty much >>> up and running. Now they want us to develop a closed-source (to >>> protect their IP) ethernet driver for their proprietary Ethernet MAC. >>> >>> My question is: Is there a fair way to do this and still comply to >>> the intent and spirit of the Linux licensing ? >>> >>> If yes, how ? >> In a word, I would say: no. >> >> When developing a non-GPL kernel driver, one finds themselves on very shaky >> legal ground. Unless one is 100% sure their code is not legally considered a >> derived work from the kernel, it's likely a GPL violation. >> >> One could point out the pile of other Ethernet drivers in the kernel from >> the likes of Intel, Broadcom, etc. and ask why those companies did not feel >> the need to "protect their IP" in this manner.. as well as the significant >> advantages of having their driver in the mainline kernel, and the horrible >> disadvantages of trying to manage closed-source drivers.. >> > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/