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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:33:08 +0100
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
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Hi!

> Before you yell at me, remember that source management is not the same
> as the kernel.  Everyone has to use the kernel, the computer doesn't work
> without it.  Take that set of people and remove everyone who doesn't use
> source management.  Out of a potential space of billions of people, you
> are left with a market of about .5 - 2 million, world wide.  And there
> are 300 SCM systems fighting over that space.  The top 3 have 50% of
> the

I know less than 10 such systems, not 300. And now arch is one of
them.

> space.  So 297 systems fighting over maybe a million users.  That's 3300
> users per system.  OK, so if each of those people were willing to pay
> $500 for arch support/whatever, that's a total of 1.6 million dollars.
> Which isn't remotely close enough to get the job done.  And don't forget
> that those people have to volunteer that money, it can't be pried out
> of them.
> 
> It's just math.  Projects that aren't universally used have a much harder
> time getting funding than projects that everyone uses.  It doesn't matter
> what the value is to you, it matters what the costs are to the developers.
> This is why microsoft is so rich, they build apps that the masses use.
> It's also why clearcase+clearquest is $8000/seat.  It's not because
> that's what the value is, it's because that's what the cost has to be
> or Rational starts to die.
> 
> So before you start talking about support contracts, and grants, and
> whatever, realize that the pool of people interested in paying those
> dollars is very small.  Are _you_ going to send Tom $500?

What was the point of this mail?

Are you concerned that arch is free software and bk is not?

arch _has_ chance; Tom is probably not going to make million dollars,
but if someone has a choice between using non-free software and arch,
maybe he will just spend his time improving arch.

									Pavel
-- 
(about SSSCA) "I don't say this lightly.  However, I really think that the U.S.
no longer is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy." --hpa
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