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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:17:53 +0300
From: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC]: Support for zero-copy TCP transmit of user space data
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Jens Axboe, on 12/19/2008 10:07 PM wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
>> David M. Lloyd, on 12/18/2008 09:43 PM wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2008 12:35 PM, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
>>>> An iSCSI target driver iSCSI-SCST was a part of the patchset 
>>>> (http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/10/293). For it a nice optimization to 
>>>> have TCP zero-copy transmit of user space data was implemented. Patch, 
>>>> implementing this optimization was also sent in the patchset, see 
>>>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/10/296.
>>> I'm probably ignorant of about 90% of the context here, but isn't this the 
>>> sort of problem that was supposed to have been solved by vmsplice(2)?
>> No, vmsplice can't help here. ISCSI-SCST is a kernel space driver. But, 
>> even if it was a user space driver, vmsplice wouldn't change anything 
>> much. It doesn't have a possibility for a user to know, when 
>> transmission of the data finished. So, it is intended to be used as: 
>> vmsplice() buffer -> munmap() the buffer -> mmap() new buffer -> 
>> vmsplice() it. But on the mmap() stage kernel has to zero all the newly 
>> mapped pages and zeroing memory isn't much faster, than copying it. 
>> Hence, there would be no considerable performance increase.
> 
> vmsplice() isn't the right choice, but splice() very well could be. You
> could easily use splice internally as well. The vmsplice() part sort-of
> applies in the sense that you want to fill pages into a pipe, which is
> essentially what vmsplice() does. You'd need some helper to do that.

Sorry, Jens, but splice() works only if there is a file handle on the 
another side, so user space doesn't see data buffers. But SCST needs to 
serve a wider usage cases, like reading data with decompression from a 
virtual tape, where decompression is done in user space. For those only 
complete zero-copy network send, which I implemented, can give the best 
performance.

> And
> the ack-on-xmit-done bits is something that splice-to-socket needs
> anyway, so I think it'd be quite a suitable choice for this.

So, are you writing that splice() could also benefit from the zero-copy 
transmit feature, like I implemented?

Thanks,
Vlad


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