Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760285AbZADTcA (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:32:00 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757962AbZADTbw (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:31:52 -0500 Received: from thunk.org ([69.25.196.29]:60020 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757949AbZADTbv (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:31:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:31:41 -0500 From: Theodore Tso To: Sitsofe Wheeler Cc: Duane Griffin , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Martin =?utf-8?Q?MOKREJ=C5=A0?= , Pavel Machek , kernel list , Andrew Morton , mtk.manpages@gmail.com, rdunlap@xenotime.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: document ext3 requirements Message-ID: <20090104193141.GA22958@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Tso , Sitsofe Wheeler , Duane Griffin , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Martin =?utf-8?Q?MOKREJ=C5=A0?= , Pavel Machek , kernel list , Andrew Morton , mtk.manpages@gmail.com, rdunlap@xenotime.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org References: <49610911.8000204@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49610911.8000204@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@mit.edu X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1465 Lines: 33 On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 07:08:01PM +0000, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: > Theodore Tso wrote: >> So what's the use case where people want to be able to mount a >> filesystem needing recovery read/only without running the journal? > > Corrupted SD card[1] that's been locked to read only for recovery > purposes without having the FS tear itself apart further? In that case, the right answer is to copy the 32 GB SD card to hard drive, and then operate on the hard drive..... In general, if the media has started going bad, the *first* thing you want to do is an immediate copy of the media to some place stable. > Others seem to be saying that it is useful for forensics... Again, the best thing to do is a full image copy of the drive before you do anything else..... If someone wants to implement code to scans the journal, and create a redirection map where whenever the filesystem needs to read from block N, it reads from block M instead, they should feel free to do so. But so far, each of the use cases people are talking about are pretty rare cases, which is probably why we don't have it at moment. In fact, it's probably possible to create this as a pure userspace solution using devicemapper. - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/