Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753617AbZAFQyv (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:54:51 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751514AbZAFQyj (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:54:39 -0500 Received: from mx3.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.1.138]:52412 "EHLO mx3.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750917AbZAFQyi (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:54:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:54:09 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Peter Zijlstra , Matthew Wilcox , Andi Kleen , Chris Mason , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel , linux-btrfs , Thomas Gleixner , Steven Rostedt , Gregory Haskins , Nick Piggin Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC]: mutex: adaptive spin Message-ID: <20090106165409.GA32608@elte.hu> References: <1230765549.7538.8.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> <87r63ljzox.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <20090103191706.GA2002@parisc-linux.org> <1231093310.27690.5.camel@twins> <20090104184103.GE2002@parisc-linux.org> <1231242031.11687.97.camel@twins> <20090106121052.GA27232@elte.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.5 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.5 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.3 -1.5 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2425 Lines: 58 * Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > So it should be renamed. Something like "task_is_oncpu()" or whatever. > > Another complaint, which is tangentially related in that it actually > concerns "current". > > Right now, if some process deadlocks on a mutex, we get hung process, > but with a nice backtrace and hopefully other things (that don't need > that lock) still continue to work. > > But if I read it correctly, the adaptive spin code will instead just > hang. Exactly because "task_is_current()" will also trigger for that > case, and now you get an infinite loop, with the process spinning until > it looses its own CPU, which obviously will never happen. > > Yes, this is the behavior we get with spinlocks too, and yes, lock > debugging will talk about it, but it's a regression. We've historically > had a _lot_ more bad deadlocks on mutexes than we have had on spinlocks, > exactly because mutexes can be held over much more complex code. So > regressing on it and making it less debuggable is bad. > > IOW, if we do this, then I think we need a > > BUG_ON(task == owner); > > in the waiting slow-path. I realize the test already exists for the > DEBUG case, but I think we just want it even for production kernels. > Especially since we'd only ever need it in the slow-path. yeah, sounds good. One thought: BUG_ON()'s do_exit() shows a slightly misleading failure pattern to users: instead of a 'hanging' task, we'd get a misbehaving app due to one of its tasks exiting spuriously. It can even go completely unnoticed [users dont look at kernel logs normally] - while a hanging task generally does get noticed. (because there's no progress in processing) So instead of the BUG_ON() we could emit a WARN_ONCE() perhaps, plus not do any spinning and just block - resulting in an uninterruptible task (that the user will probably notice) and a scary message in the syslog? [all in the slowpath] So in this case WARN_ONCE() is both more passive (it does not run do_exit()), and shows the more intuitive failure pattern to users. No strong feelings though. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/