Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:40:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:39:25 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:13587 "EHLO golux.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:37:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:11:30 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Dave Jones , Robert Love , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers Message-ID: <20020215171130.C15406@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Dave Jones , Robert Love , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <200202151929.g1FJTaU03362@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215213833.J27880@suse.de> <1013810923.807.1055.camel@phantasy> <20020215232832.N27880@suse.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020215232832.N27880@suse.de>; from davej@suse.de on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 11:28:32PM +0100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dave Jones : > Increased functionality I don't have a problem with, as long > as other more important things are addressed. And for that matter, > Linus has said to Eric "I don't care, take this out of the > kernel completely leaving just oldconfig'. > > It might just be the sanest choice, and leave all this discussion > in userland. CML2 can live in userland. It already does; three other projects use it. The kernel rulebase cannot. The real issue here is whether the CML1 language carries sufficient information to support things like side-effect deduction. And the answer is "no". -- Eric S. Raymond - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/