Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:47:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:46:47 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:17939 "EHLO golux.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:46:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:19:52 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Dave Jones , Richard Gooch , Larry McVoy , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers Message-ID: <20020215171952.D15406@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Dave Jones , Richard Gooch , Larry McVoy , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215124255.F28735@work.bitmover.com> <20020215153953.D12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215221532.K27880@suse.de> <20020215155817.A14083@thyrsus.com> <200202152209.g1FM9PZ00855@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <20020215165029.C14418@thyrsus.com> <20020215232700.M27880@suse.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020215232700.M27880@suse.de>; from davej@suse.de on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 11:27:00PM +0100 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dave Jones : > The point being made is that you constantly refuse to listen. > You ask for an opinion, and when something comes back that isn't > what you expect, you run off and write something completely > different just to appease some fabled Aunt Tilley, then come > back and say "Ok, how about now?". I honestly don't undestand how this myth got started, Dave. >From my point of view, I have been busting my ass trying to *extract* requirements from Linus and other people with a stake. What guidance I get is vague and contradictory. My proposals to address it get ignored. Everything I do right gets written off and teensy side issues get inflated into monsters. It's utterly maddening to hear people accuse me of not listening when I spend so damn much effort trying to do what they want for so little reward... -- Eric S. Raymond - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/