Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:21 -0500 Received: from modemcable084.137-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca ([24.200.137.84]:42451 "EHLO xanadu.home") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Nicolas Pitre X-X-Sender: nico@xanadu.home To: "Eric S. Raymond" cc: lkml Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers In-Reply-To: <20020215171952.D15406@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Dave Jones : > > The point being made is that you constantly refuse to listen. > > You ask for an opinion, and when something comes back that isn't > > what you expect, you run off and write something completely > > different just to appease some fabled Aunt Tilley, then come > > back and say "Ok, how about now?". > > I honestly don't undestand how this myth got started, Dave. > > >From my point of view, I have been busting my ass trying to *extract* > requirements from Linus and other people with a stake. What guidance > I get is vague and contradictory. My proposals to address it get ignored. > Everything I do right gets written off and teensy side issues get > inflated into monsters. > > It's utterly maddening to hear people accuse me of not listening when > I spend so damn much effort trying to do what they want for so little > reward... Eric.... Again... Just like I said to you in private email... Show us that you're able to write a 1 for 1 functional correspondance between CML1 and CML2 and propose that for inclusion into 2.5. This will already have the advantage of using a common engine to parse the config language regardless of the frontend used, along with the readability and compactness of CML2. This should not cause a too big cultural change. Wait for a month or two while developers get used to it. Then and only then could you start discussion about advanced CML2 possibilities and features. REmember that Linux development only works like a car that you propose individual parts individually and let people comment on them. Providing the whole car already assembled with a "turn key" package simply doesn't work with most car hackers. As a bonus to further stimulate acceptance of CML2, make it work with the tools that most people already have i.e. Python 1.5. Nicolas - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/