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From: "William Scott Lockwood III" <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>
To: "Alexander Viro" <viro@math.psu.edu>, "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
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Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:14:17 -0600
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Here's an idea Al:  Put up, or shut up.  Where's your code to replace CML1
with?  I like Eric's system, and find it's MUCH more useful in a production
environment than CML1 was.  Where's your replacement idea?

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Viro" <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
Cc: "Richard Gooch" <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>; "Dave Jones" <davej@suse.de>;
"Larry McVoy" <lm@work.bitmover.com>; "Arjan van de Ven"
<arjan@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers


>
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>:
> > > Repeat after me: Linus is a bastard. Linus doesn't care.
> >
> > Fine.  We all know Linus is a bastard.
> >
> > If that's so, then why are the likes of Jeff Garzik and Al Viro
> > spending so much effort trying to make *me* into the bad guy?
>
> I can't speak for Jeff.  Compared to me Linus is downright nice,
> kind and touchy-feely guy.  I'm not.  I don't like manipulative
> arseholes.  I _despise_ inept manipulative arseholes and I really
> can't stand demagogy - what with a massive overdose of that in
> school years (Soviet Union, early 80s - 'nuff said).
>
> Your habit of claiming completely unsubstantiated credentials also
> doesn't help.  Let me spell it out - your pseudo-phylosophical
> essays are handwaving at best and deliberate dishonesty at worst.
> If you expect respect for them - you are looking in the wrong
> place.  You don't understand how kernel development works - that
> much had been made obvious for everyone by the last couple of months.
> And yet you don't hesitate to plug holes in your proposals with empty
> preaching ex cathedra and massive demagogy.
>
> I had seen such guys in Uni.  Usually they taught Marxism-Leninism,
> History of Party, Philosophy, etc.  Nobody with a shred of clue and
> self-respect had touched them with a ten-feet pole.  Excuse me for
> being not too happy to see that type again.
>
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