Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:02:55 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:02:45 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:46085 "EHLO golux.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:02:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:35:38 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Rob Landley Cc: Dave Jones , Larry McVoy , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers Message-ID: <20020216013538.A23546@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Rob Landley , Dave Jones , Larry McVoy , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <20020215224916.L27880@suse.de> <20020215170459.A15406@thyrsus.com> <20020215232517.FXLQ71.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020215232517.FXLQ71.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from landley@trommello.org on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 06:26:06PM -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Rob Landley : > On Friday 15 February 2002 05:04 pm, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > Solutions that involve me doing an arbitrary and increasing amount of > > hand-hacking on every release are right out. > > Um, Eric? Isn't that what being a maintainer basically means? The problem isn't that I'm not willing to work hard. I am. It's that the level of handhacking has to be controlled below the threshold that makes it impossible. > Back up a bit. What would be the most minimal, stripped-down version of CML2 > you could write? No eye candy, no complications, no autoconfigurator, no > tree view, no frozen symbols. Just solving the core problem of configuring > 2.5 in a more flexible and less buggy way than CML1, with the three > interfaces (oldconfig, menuconfig, xconfig) we've got now. The big problem isn't the code transition. It's the rulebase transition. -- Eric S. Raymond - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/