Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:38:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:37:59 -0500 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:53261 "EHLO www.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6E1A5C.436543E5@mandrakesoft.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:37:48 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik Organization: MandrakeSoft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17-2mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esr@thyrsus.com CC: Dave Jones , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <200202151929.g1FJTaU03362@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215213833.J27880@suse.de> <20020215154540.F12540@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > The first thing I heard, from mec two years ago, was "the CML1 code > base is not salvageable". This was then and is now the unanimous opinion of > the kbuild team. Not just mine; in fact, they concluded it before > I entered the picture. > > I have seen nothing since to make me change that opinion. So Alan Cox's opinion counts as nothing? mconfig counts as nothing? Anyway, I think you are missing the point. Sure, CML1 has problems, but is your solution the one we want for the kernel? I do not think that is clear yet. And bragging about a system's use in production tells us little about its suitability for most kernel developers, or whether you've addressed the global dependencies problem, or the syntax problem, etc. I'm sure CML2 configurator is whiz-bang, but it needs to do basic stuff like having "make oldconfig" work exactly like it does in the current config system. Jeff -- Jeff Garzik | "Why is it that attractive girls like you Building 1024 | always seem to have a boyfriend?" MandrakeSoft | "Because I'm a nympho that owns a brewery?" | - BBC TV show "Coupling" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/