Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:23:16 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:23:11 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:35336 "EHLO golux.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:22:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:56:08 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: David Woodhouse Cc: Rob Landley , Dave Jones , Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers Message-ID: <20020216105608.B31986@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , David Woodhouse , Rob Landley , Dave Jones , Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020216085706.H23546@thyrsus.com> <20020216013538.A23546@thyrsus.com> <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <20020215224916.L27880@suse.de> <20020215170459.A15406@thyrsus.com> <20020215232517.FXLQ71.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20020216013538.A23546@thyrsus.com> <22614.1013851279@redhat.com> <20020216085706.H23546@thyrsus.com> <30686.1013871095@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <30686.1013871095@redhat.com>; from dwmw2@infradead.org on Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 02:51:35PM +0000 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Woodhouse : > A good way to kill this myth, if myth it is, would be to set up a test > suite, as I suggested before. You already have a 'randomconfig' for CML2, I > believe? I think there's also one for CML1. There is no randomconfig for CML2. > Repeatedly make a random config (for a random architecture), with either > CML1 or CML2. Make oldconfig with the other CML, then with the first again. > If there are any differences between the original randomconfig output and > the output after the two 'oldconfig' stages, you've hit something that may > be a problem. > > Every time you hit such a difference, either fix it or document it and > justify it. Ensure that the list of such justifications required is small, > in order to improve the chance of CML2 being accepted. This cycle is what I've been going through with a lot of my beta testers. -- Eric S. Raymond - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/