Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:58:45 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:58:36 -0500 Received: from dsl254-112-233.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([216.254.112.233]:265 "EHLO golux.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:58:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:32:52 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Jeff Garzik Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Message-ID: <20020216123252.B1582@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , Jeff Garzik , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20020215213833.J27880@suse.de> <1013810923.807.1055.camel@phantasy> <20020215232832.N27880@suse.de> <3C6DE87C.FA96D1D6@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216095202.M23546@thyrsus.com> <3C6E7C75.A6659D72@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216105219.A31001@thyrsus.com> <3C6E8A15.D5C209B1@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216115739.B32311@thyrsus.com> <3C6E9717.86D66D54@mandrakesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C6E9717.86D66D54@mandrakesoft.com>; from jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com on Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:29:59PM -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Jeff Garzik : > Well, let's simmer things down a bit and see what other people have to > say. Maybe I'm completely off base. Jeff, I'm not asking "other people". I'm asking *you*. You're one of the people Linus says he trusts. Linus has said, explicitly, to myself and Dave Jones, on this very issue, "get me out of the loop". My take is that if you switch from opposing CML2 to supporting it, the political wars will probably be about over. I hope the prospect of actually getting to a metadata-centered configuration system in our lifetime will be sufficient incentive for you to do so. Oh lovely dream...I could have a prototype metadata-to-CML2-bus-guards translator in less than two weeks, I think, if I didn't have to maintain the CML2 rulebase all by myself. I want to go there. > But to answer the question which the subtext seemed to asking (at least > to me), no, there is no vendetta against you. And for the record on a > specific detail, I have no problem with python use. If I have no major > objection based purely on technical grounds, that what you'll be hearing > from me. OK. Is "global dependencies" your sole technical showstopper? If so, can we dispose of the ill-defined "CML2 will fuck up my workflow" thing? If you tell me yes, we can move to a discussion of why global dependencies are a problem and how to solve it. -- Eric S. Raymond - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/