Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:55:27 +0100
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>, Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
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* Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Daniel Walker wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 15:59 -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> > 
> > > > - a.) Host/target system needs to have USB debug port capability.
> > > > + a.) You will need two USB ports. One on the client/console system and one on 
> > > > +     the target system.
> > > > + 
> > > > + b.) The client/console and target USB ports must have the debug port
> > > > +     capability.
> > > 
> > > Is that correct on the (ugh, I think that the naming/terminology is
> > > still mucked up, but you didn't do that) host/target system?
> > > 
> > > On the client/console (which I would call the host and I would call the
> > > "Host/target" here just the Target system), a USB debug port is needed,
> > > but on the Host/target, it should just look like a USB device.
> > > At least that was the intent AFAIK/IIRC.  No?
> > > 
> > 
> > >From the rest of document I assumed Host/target was referring to both
> > sides of the connection. So you would need USB on both sides for this
> > thing to work. I assumed Client/console was just the host. I guess that
> > is all kind of confusing tho ..
> 
> The term "Host" is too confusing to be used here; it has too 
> many other meanings.  "Target" is good.

I used Host/Target for that reason, consistently so. The combo 
gives us the best of both worlds.

> "Client" is probably okay too, but I don't like "Console" so 
> much because both machines will have a console.  "Debugging 
> console" is more accurate but also more cumbersome.

I used client/console term for that reason.

> > The document indicates you need this one capability on your 
> > USB port in addition to the USB device (check the complete 
> > document for how to find the capability). So both host and 
> > target need this one capability, and then you also need the 
> > USB device for the whole thing to work.
> 
> In fact the original document was rather clear about this; it 
> says only that the target machine needs the debug capability.  
> The client machine uses its normal USB driver and treats the 
> debugging cable as a normal USB serial device.

yes.

btw., i think this document is being over-engineered. 
Significantly so.

	Ingo
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