Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754203AbZCIVUv (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:20:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752270AbZCIVUl (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:20:41 -0400 Received: from xc.sipsolutions.net ([83.246.72.84]:35934 "EHLO sipsolutions.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752836AbZCIVUk (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:20:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Staging, place holder for better company/community development model From: Johannes Berg To: Greg KH Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Jouni Malinen , Sujith , Sujith , Senthilkumar Balasubramanian , "John W. Linville" , Christoph Hellwig , Vasanthakumar Thiagarajan In-Reply-To: <20090309194132.GB15011@kroah.com> References: <43e72e890903022314o44ae710u834d6207403fd4a2@mail.gmail.com> <1236514065.4205.9.camel@johannes.local> <20090308223304.GB11513@kroah.com> <1236583282.4205.71.camel@johannes.local> <20090309194132.GB15011@kroah.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-r4vNaWHk8oTfboTlKhQD" Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:20:33 +0100 Message-Id: <1236633633.9658.23.camel@johannes.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2432 Lines: 62 --=-r4vNaWHk8oTfboTlKhQD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 12:41 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > Staging drivers will typically be an extremely huge amount of crap that > > just floods mailing lists. I don't care about those I don't read, but I > > would prefer to not have wireless staging drivers cross the wireless > > list which makes it seem like somebody is actually interested in those > > drivers. >=20 > I was asked by the wireless maintainer and some of the wireless > developers to send such patches to the list, so that everyone knows > exactly what is going on in the staging tree. This is a misrepresentation, a number of people have asked for this on specific drivers they are actively working on and that already are in usable shape. > That's not true, some of them are being reworked as you type, to be a > "real" wireless driver eventually. >=20 > Incremental development over time is sometimes a good thing, instead of > total rewrites :) Except it doesn't work for most of the wireless drivers you've sucked in without asking any wireless developers whether that makes any sense or not. johannes --=-r4vNaWHk8oTfboTlKhQD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Johannes Berg (powerbook) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJJtYgfAAoJEKVg1VMiehFYm7UP/jh8Bfn8xauZhduZAUYneEBH xMceyMzUIvfFO0JHLFN8OoS/X2QN2oo3gkMlikSUINDa4FbfLI3hV41i9QGjGJlG 5tnkmuwvkpfp4s6ejhTouOaRCPiQV2hwB4/yERNwPybCoe7p0AzuRwtY88deMn9q FttQiql0dTjX67vcFfQn/Hl4M+E4aOk86z70x2il28Shouqc2w0nxl2199AwH/4q yA1VlP3nf6cD55rk8HxEhb85DrkH35vtTvPZCOrtY3YT3Iil14yfcmZDhJheaLly okRu56BXr2Wmenmf5vR+ym5ahRRL6HDJ0LinVXSxydtNem6CjvOMr89ePR074alp WdBhL3HqSb+vnw518sQGzUK3d1IIjXGJM1jLm4ye22Y3hNA/g/ULbukxwWfkye3F +A+LOZQzODflxMWaDo8fja6RecQU+En4SfvL5hfQ7hum9ZhyWd67ds7q1nbfS5Ir hevsYBUJkGptG1M7WwvW6rGbRvhgQ40QipdjwH1Z/EUaQWDoIEw5shvd/0nabrPU HVJpm0/jGlulZCmOmohjTzqwVf7VlE/bLo7ie0e/4YcdqecLBcgQ3wrs28SeLdZV zR3lyYO3KA+zTytREHIj+QO670ph0wRZe8lW2fXvcRdrAQqn6aMXws6tr45gltcx 6gWKSFkEQyRu8OBN8wOu =fASU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-r4vNaWHk8oTfboTlKhQD-- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/