Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761154AbZCOUcd (ORCPT ); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:32:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758375AbZCOU2e (ORCPT ); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:28:34 -0400 Received: from mx2.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.151.9]:40195 "EHLO mx2.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758147AbZCOU2c (ORCPT ); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:28:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:26:03 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: Johannes Berg Cc: Linus Torvalds , Jeff Chua , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Adrian Bunk , Andrew Morton , Kernel Testers List , Network Development , "John W. Linville" Subject: Re: 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28 Message-ID: <20090315202603.GA9077@elte.hu> References: <1237140665.24621.2.camel@johannes.local> <1237143683.24621.7.camel@johannes.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1237143683.24621.7.camel@johannes.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.5 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.5 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.3 -1.5 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1419 Lines: 35 * Johannes Berg wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:44 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Johannes - "not believable" is simply not an argument. If > > Jeff can show a difference, then your disbelief is totally > > irrelevant, and clearly shows that you are basing your > > beliefs on incorrect assumptions (like some specific version > > of firmware that isn't the whole story). > > Linus, Jeff is totally unbelievable here -- I just realised > that the commit he quotes doesn't even change the driver he's > working with. Even if so (bisection is very hard and error-prone) why do you shape your reaction to it as a personal attack? Why do you say "Jeff is totally unbelievable" - why dont you say something more amicable like: " Hm, that's weird - that commit does not even seem to affect the driver you are working with. Could you please re-check the final bits of the bisection to make sure you got the right commit ID? " Instead of this irritated-sounding attack tone you are using. It's not helpful. Testers are there to help you, not to annoy you. If they annoy you then you are in the wrong business. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/