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From: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
       Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, utrace-devel@redhat.com,
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       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
       Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
       Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] utrace-based ftrace "process" engine, v2
In-Reply-To: Andrew Morton's message of  Saturday, 21 March 2009 05:04:22 -0700 <20090321050422.d1d99eec.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:09:26 -0700 (PDT)
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> Well I dunno.  You guys are closer to this than I am, but I'd have thought
> that systemtap is the main game here, and most/all of the above is just
> fluff.

That is certainly not true for me.  It is true that I hear plenty from
systemtap developers, users, and boosters wanting utrace to be merged.
But all that "fluff" you dismiss out of hand is what I would really like
to see become reality.  Pretty much the only people who ever tell me
they would hack on those things are the ones who say, "I'm looking
forward to utrace getting merged in so I can try to write something."

> eh.  Boring.  [...]

Since it's boring to you, it must be so boring to everyone that they
have no interest in a platform they can use to do exciting things with.
Great.  Silly me trying to enable collaboration to produce things less
boring than I'm capable of myself.  Clearly there is no need for any
such thing.  Sorry I'm so out of touch, but I just thought it was cool.


Thanks,
Roland
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