Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759981AbZC0TOu (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:14:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754553AbZC0TOl (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:14:41 -0400 Received: from earthlight.etchedpixels.co.uk ([81.2.110.250]:37687 "EHLO www.etchedpixels.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754505AbZC0TOk (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:14:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:14:26 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Theodore Tso Cc: Linus Torvalds , Matthew Garrett , Andrew Morton , David Rees , Jesper Krogh , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.29 Message-ID: <20090327191426.3d478b6b@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090327190339.GW6239@mit.edu> References: <20090327112438.GQ6239@mit.edu> <20090327145156.GB24819@srcf.ucam.org> <20090327150811.09b313f5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20090327152221.GA25234@srcf.ucam.org> <20090327161553.31436545@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20090327162841.GA26860@srcf.ucam.org> <20090327165150.7e69d9e1@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20090327170208.GA27646@srcf.ucam.org> <20090327171955.78662c1e@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20090327190339.GW6239@mit.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 834 Lines: 18 > Agreed, we need a middle ground. We need a transition path that > recognizes that ext3 won't be the dominant filesystem for Linux in > perpetuity, and that ext3's data=ordered semantics will someday no > longer be a major factor in application design. fbarrier() semantics > might be one approach; there may be others. It's something we need to > figure out. Would making close imply fbarrier() rather than fsync() work for this ? That would give people the ordering they want even if they are less careful but wouldn't give the media error cases - which are less interesting. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/