Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932283AbZDCPLq (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:11:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753655AbZDCPLi (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:11:38 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:44186 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751302AbZDCPLh (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:11:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds X-X-Sender: torvalds@localhost.localdomain To: Chris Mason cc: Jeff Garzik , Andrew Morton , David Rees , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.29 In-Reply-To: <1238758370.32764.5.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> Message-ID: References: <1238758370.32764.5.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2139 Lines: 52 On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Chris Mason wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 20:34 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > Well, one rather simple explanation is that if you hadn't been doing lots > > of writes, then the background garbage collection on the Intel SSD gets > > ahead of the game, and gives you lots of bursty nice write bandwidth due > > to having a nicely compacted and pre-erased blocks. > > > > Then, after lots of writing, all the pre-erased blocks are gone, and you > > are down to a steady state where it needs to GC and erase blocks to make > > room for new writes. > > > > So that part doesn't suprise me per se. The Intel SSD's definitely > > flucutate a bit timing-wise (but I love how they never degenerate to the > > "ooh, that _really_ sucks" case that the other SSD's and the rotational > > media I've seen does when you do random writes). > > > > 23MB/s seems a bit low though, I'd try with O_DIRECT. ext3 doesn't do > writepages, and the ssd may be very sensitive to smaller writes (what > brand?) I didn't realize that Jeff had a non-Intel SSD. THAT sure explains the huge drop-off. I do see Intel SSD's fluctuating too, but the Intel ones tend to be _fairly_ stable. > > The fact that it also happens for the regular disk does imply that it's > > not the _only_ thing going on, though. > > Jeff if you blktrace it I can make up a seekwatcher graph. My bet is > that pdflush is stuck writing the indirect blocks, and doing a ton of > seeks. > > You could change the overwrite program to also do sync_file_range on the > block device ;) Actually, that won't help. 'sync_file_range()' works only on the virtually indexed page cache, and I think ext3 uses "struct buffer_head *" for all it's metadata updates (due to how JBD works). So sync_file_range() will do nothing at all to the metadata, regardless of what mapping you execute it on. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/