Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:17:12 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:17:07 -0500 Received: from h24-67-15-4.cg.shawcable.net ([24.67.15.4]:11249 "EHLO lynx.adilger.int") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:16:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:15:09 -0700 From: Andreas Dilger To: "H. Peter Anvin" Cc: "Rose, Billy" , "'Martin Dalecki'" , Mike Fedyk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: ext3 and undeletion Message-ID: <20020226111509.J12832@lynx.adilger.int> Mail-Followup-To: "H. Peter Anvin" , "Rose, Billy" , 'Martin Dalecki' , Mike Fedyk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <4188788C3E1BD411AA60009027E92DFD063077D8@loisexc2.loislaw.com> <3C7BCD4A.9020400@zytor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C7BCD4A.9020400@zytor.com>; from hpa@zytor.com on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 10:00:42AM -0800 X-GPG-Key: 1024D/0D35BED6 X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7A37 5D79 BF1B CECA D44F 8A29 A488 39F5 0D35 BED6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Feb 26, 2002 10:00 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Rose, Billy wrote: > > My company can tolerate 0% loss of data (which is why I raised this issue). > > There is no such thing as 0% loss of data. You can get some amount of > security with backups, snapshots (really useful!) or undelete, but you > can *NEVER* guarantee 0% loss of data... consider the case when a > (l)user overwrites (not just deletes) a newly created file. Snapshots at the filesystem level could handle the overwrite case. However, even then it cannot be 0% loss of data, unless you have snapshots for _every_ write of the file, which would quickly become prohibitive in space usage (think autobackup from an editor on a large file). Sometimes people just have to learn from their mistakes... Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Dilger http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/ http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/