Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756416AbZDFXTs (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:19:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753125AbZDFXTi (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:19:38 -0400 Received: from earthlight.etchedpixels.co.uk ([81.2.110.250]:34583 "EHLO www.etchedpixels.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752677AbZDFXTi (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:19:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:19:55 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Ray Lee Cc: Hua Zhong , Theodore Tso , Linus Torvalds , Jens Axboe , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8][RFC] IO latency/throughput fixes Message-ID: <20090407001955.0bf73f72@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2c0942db0904061548x2d34eff7g9b5332826509da53@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239022088-29002-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe@oracle.com> <20090406151054.GD5178@kernel.dk> <20090406183157.GD7376@mit.edu> <002501c9b6f3$f85b4910$e911db30$@com> <20090406211931.GB8586@mit.edu> <003001c9b6ff$a9259ce0$fb70d6a0$@com> <2c0942db0904061504l6504934bi446f7425fcd38470@mail.gmail.com> <003401c9b706$9c4c1b50$d4e451f0$@com> <2c0942db0904061548x2d34eff7g9b5332826509da53@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 24 > apparently it never was unless you specifically mounted your ext3 > filesystem with data=ordered. The default was only that, a default, > and one that can still be specified explicitly. Look up "principle of least suprise" > There are an unbounded number of possible incorrect setups in the > world. Should we live in fear of their existence without any proof? No but creating new ones for users is not good. > I accept Linus' argument that the change in crash behavior for random > folk is going to be very different, and that perhaps that alone should > drive keeping the default as it is today, but now we're talking about > the desktop space. Which regularly handles data of great value -- like PhD theses. Ext4 provides a good natural migration point, ext3 mid series does not. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/