Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:17:48 -0700
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Valerie Aurora Henson <vaurora@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
       Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] fpathconf() for fsync() behavior
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:12:57 -0400 Valerie Aurora Henson <vaurora@redhat.com> wrote:

> In the default mode for ext3 and btrfs, fsync() is both slow and
> unnecessary for some important application use cases - at the same
> time that it is absolutely required for correctness for other modes of
> ext3, ext4, XFS, etc.  If applications could easilyl distinguish
> between the two cases, they would be more likely to be correct and
> fast.
> 
> How about an fpathconf() variable, something like _PC_ORDERED?  E.g.:
> 
> 	/* Unoptimized example optional fsync() demo */
> 	write(fd);
> 	/* Only fsync() if we need it */
> 	if (fpath_conf(fd, _PC_ORDERED) != 1)
> 		fsync(fd);
> 	rename(tmp_path, new_path);
> 
> I know of two specific real-world cases in which this would
> significantly improve performance: (a) fsync() before rename(), (b)
> fsync() of the parent directory of a newly created file.  Case (b) is
> particularly nasty when you have multiple threads creating files in
> the same directory because the dir's i_mutex is held across fsync() -
> file creates become limited to the speed of sequential fsync()s.
> 
> Conceptual libc patch below.

Would it be better to implement new syscall(s) with finer-grained control
and better semantics?  Then userspace would just need to to:

	fsync_on_steroids(fd, FSYNC_BEFORE_RENAME);

and that all gets down into the filesystem which can then work out what
it needs to do to implement the command.

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