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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:39:39 -0400
From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: rewrite SCSI host scheme to be one per ATA host
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Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>> Currently, libata creates a Scsi_Host per port.  This was originally
>>> done to leverage SCSI's infrastructure to arbitrate among master/slave
>>> devices, but is not needed for most modern SATA controllers.   And I
>>> _think_ it is not needed for master/slave if done properly, either.
>> BTW note the above, with regards to the libata SCSI->block conversion.  
>> libata currently relies on SCSI for some amount of generic device  
>> arbitration, in several situations (see ->qc_defer,  
>> SCSI_MLQUEUE_.*_BUSY).  libata expects SCSI to be intelligent and not  
>> starve devices, etc.
> 
> Defer looks like internal policy, I don't see that functioning any
> different in the block layer. SCSI_MLQUEUE_*_BUSY in SCSI is primarily
> using the block layer functionality of BLKPREP_DEFER to begin with, so I
> think we're pretty close to providing all that already.

It's not quite that simple.  I am referring mainly to arbitration across 
multiple request_queue's.  SCSI has useful code in place to deal with 
target-busy and host-busy conditions, both of which could potentially be 
blocking and unblocking multiple request queues.

mlqueue is much more than just a wrapper over block requeueing 
functions.  Read scsi_next_command() and scsi_run_queue(), and grep for 
starved_list, host_{busy,blocked}, target_{busy,blocked}, 
device_{busy,blocked}.

In our master/slave case, we must choose between queue A and queue B, 
making sure to starve neither.  For simplex DMA, we potentially have 
queues A, B, C and D serving requests across the "bus bottleneck," and 
must ensure no starvation of A, B, C or D.


Although I have no code to back this up, my gut feeling is that a 
"request queue group" object, with associated functions, that would be 
the appropriate place for cross-queue or "host-wide" (as in, struct 
Scsi_Host or struct ata_host) functionality.

Whatever the solution, libata definitely makes use of SCSI's 
cross-request_queue arbitration, so any move to block will require 
similar functionality.

	Jeff


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