Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:49:49 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:49:39 -0500 Received: from chmls06.ne.ipsvc.net ([24.147.1.144]:46031 "EHLO chmls06.mediaone.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:49:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:31:03 -0500 To: erich@uruk.org Cc: Alan Cox , Julian Anastasov , Szekeres Bela , Daniel Gryniewicz , linux-kernel Subject: Re: Network Security hole (was -> Re: arp bug ) Message-ID: <20020302233103.GA3018@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net> Mail-Followup-To: erich@uruk.org, Alan Cox , Julian Anastasov , Szekeres Bela , Daniel Gryniewicz , linux-kernel In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i From: Andrew Pimlott Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:31:48PM -0800, erich@uruk.org wrote: > My general contention is that the system should, by default, behave as > non-experts would expect, but this might be a point where we can't > agree. > > It is, unfortunately, the cardinal rule when designing any usable > interfaces. I reference Donald Norman's "The Design of Everyday > Things". But I digress. I must agree with Alan. Low level technical interfaces should behave according to standards, and should follow a consistent logic understood by experts in the field (even if it is difficult for the beginner). If people try to push "usability" (and I'm as much a fan of that book as you) onto kernel interfaces, we'll wade into a swamp and never get out. Such interfaces need not be exposed to ordinary users. Indeed, by keeping the low-level layer simple and orthogonal, it becomes easier to build multiple user-facing layers (for different purposes, or for comparison at the same purpose). I think this principle is much more powerful than the one you advance. Andrew - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/