Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755795AbZFCFH7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:07:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752062AbZFCFHv (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:07:51 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:59228 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751354AbZFCFHu (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:07:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Rostedt X-X-Sender: rostedt@gandalf.stny.rr.com To: David Miller cc: dan.magenheimer@oracle.com, tytso@mit.edu, mingo@elte.hu, george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com, jeremy@goop.org, avi@redhat.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keir.Fraser@eu.citrix.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, gregkh@suse.de, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Ian.Pratt@eu.citrix.com, xen-users@lists.xensource.com, ksrinivasan@novell.com, EAnderson@novell.com, wimcoekaerts@wimmekes.net, stephen.spector@citrix.com, jens.axboe@oracle.com, npiggin@suse.de Subject: Re: Merge Xen (the hypervisor) into Linux In-Reply-To: <20090602.215802.149628704.davem@davemloft.net> Message-ID: References: <3ab07e3b-a601-48d5-b350-29cbaf111892@default> <20090602.215802.149628704.davem@davemloft.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1311 Lines: 36 On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, David Miller wrote: > From: Dan Magenheimer > Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:49:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > A hypervisor is not an operating system. > > This is a pretty bogus statement if you ask me. > > A hypervisor a software system that provides seperation between > protection realms. > > It also handles exceptions and "system calls" on behalf of the other > protection realms. > > I personally don't see the difference at all. And since many > hypervisors even do cpu scheduling, the fundamental differences > converge to almost nothing. I recently sat in an Operating Systems class where the Professor was an old IBM retiree, that worked on the 390 system way back when. He would argue the point that an Operating System must do at least two things, schedule tasks and manage paging. The Xen hypervisor does both, thus in his eyes, it is indeed an Operating System. -- Steve P.S. he also thought that filesystem management does not have to be a duty of the OS and he hated the fact he had to teach it ;-) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/