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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:44:16 +0200
From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
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CC: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Philipp Reh <sefi@s-e-f-i.de>,
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Subject: Re: When does Linux drop UDP packets?
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david@lang.hm a ?crit :
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:53:47PM +0200, Philipp Reh wrote:
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> I have the following setting in which a client that resides on the same
>>> physical network as a server wants to receive any UDP packet that
>>> arrives on any of its interfaces sent by that server.
>>>
>>> The code sets the broadcast flag, calls bind to INADDR_ANY and
>>> uses recvfrom from there on.
>>>
>>> Let's say the server resides in the subnet 192.168.6.255 and the
>>> client in 192.168.3.255. The server uses its real IP as the packet's
>>> sender ip (192.168.6.5).
>>
>> You don't say what the client IP is. Let's assume that it is 192.168.3.1
>> for simplicity.
>>
>>>
>>> Now the first problem I've encountered is the following:
>>> If the client removes its default route and doesn't have any route
>>> pointing into the subnet the server is in, the packets get discarded
>>> (still tcpdump sees them).
>>>
>>
>> Are you saying that the server sent to 192.168.3.1 with source ip of
>> 192.168.6.5 and the client did not see it?
>>
>>> The second problem is that if the server uses the broadcast address as
>>> its sender address (255.255.255.255), the packets get always discarded
>>> (again, tcpdump sees them).
>>
>> Again, what was the destination IP address?
>>
>>> Now if the server fakes its sender address to be in the client's subnet,
>>> every packet arrives again.
>>
>> So the only thing you change is the sender address?
>>
>> What tools are you using to read the packets, and how do you know it is
>> dropped?
> 
> 
> I have seen the same thing. I have syslog servers on one subnet without
> a default route. If I configure a server on another subnet to send it
> logs I can see the packets with tcpdump, but syslogd will not record them.
> 
> If I configure a route on the recieving box that makes it think that it
> can get to the sender (note that the route can be completely bogus,
> pointing at a wrong or non-existing gateway) the kernel is happy and the
> packets show up to syslogd
> 
> the systems I am running do _not_ have selinux on them.
> 
> I have seen this as far back as 2.6.12 so it's not a recent change.
> 
> if you need examples with IP addresses
> 
> box 1
> IP 10.1.1.2
> 
> router
> IP 10.1.1.1
> IP 192.168.1.1
> 
> box 2
> IP 192.168.1.2
> 
> If I configure box 2 to have a route to box1, but do not configure box 1
> to have any route (including not having a default route) that would get
> it to a 192.168.1.x subnet tcpdump on box 1 will show the syslog
> packets, but syslog (and any non-pcap tool) will not see the packets)
> 
> if I configure a route on box 1 to have a default route of 10.1.1.3
> (which does not exist, so cannot possibly route packets anywhere) then
> everything works.

I guess you need to change rp_filter settings

Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt

rp_filter - INTEGER

        0 - No source validation.
        1 - Strict mode as defined in RFC3704 Strict Reverse Path
            Each incoming packet is tested against the FIB and if the interface
            is not the best reverse path the packet check will fail.
            By default failed packets are discarded.
        2 - Loose mode as defined in RFC3704 Loose Reverse Path
            Each incoming packet's source address is also tested against the FIB
            and if the source address is not reachable via any interface
            the packet check will fail.

        Current recommended practice in RFC3704 is to enable strict mode
        to prevent IP spoofing from DDos attacks. If using asymmetric routing
        or other complicated routing, then loose mode is recommended.

        conf/all/rp_filter must also be set to non-zero to do source validation
        on the interface

        Default value is 0. Note that some distributions enable it
        in startup scripts.


> 
>>> So my real question is:
>>> When does Linux discard packets and how can I prevent it from doing
>>> that?
> 
> for this problem, set a default route that points at a non-existing
> gateway and I believe that your problem will go away.


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