Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755131AbZFEEzz (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:55:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752641AbZFEEzr (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:55:47 -0400 Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com ([47.129.242.56]:49411 "EHLO zcars04e.nortel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750973AbZFEEzr (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4A28A540.2000306@nortel.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:55:28 -0600 From: "Chris Friesen" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-6 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Davidsen CC: Frans Pop , tglx@linutronix.de, george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com, davem@davemloft.net, jeremy@goop.org, mingo@elte.hu, dan.magenheimer@oracle.com, avi@redhat.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keir.Fraser@eu.citrix.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, gregkh@suse.de, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Ian.Pratt@eu.citrix.com, xen-users@lists.xensource.com, ksrinivasan@novell.com, EAnderson@novell.com, wimcoekaerts@wimmekes.net, stephen.spector@citrix.com, jens.axboe@oracle.com Subject: Re: Xen is a feature References: <162f4c90-6431-4a2a-b337-6d7451d7b11e@default> <20090528001350.GD26820@elte.hu> <4A1F302E.8030501@goop.org> <20090528.210559.137121893.davem@davemloft.net> <4A1FCE8E.2060604@eu.citrix.com> <4A26D3D8.6080002@tmr.com> <4A26FB3B.6010205@tmr.com> <200906040129.07852.elendil@planet.nl> <4A289B96.7030808@tmr.com> In-Reply-To: <4A289B96.7030808@tmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2009 04:55:35.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCAC82E0:01C9E599] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1161 Lines: 25 Bill Davidsen wrote: > Where it comes from is his very recent statement, which contains those > very words. You may interpret what he said in any way you choose, but > denying that he said it shows that you didn't follow the link back. I > never denied the ugliness of the code, nor does the author, but it adds > a great deal of value for many people, and that's the point I was making. Lots of code could be said to add a great deal of value for many people (semi-closed video card drivers, ndiswrapper, etc.), but it's never going to be accepted into the kernel. The maintainers get to decide whether the perceived benefit outweighs the perceived cost. So far, they've decided that Xen isn't worth it. The most likely way to get Xen merged is to lower the cost (reduce the churn and ugliness), increase the benefit (improve the virtualization layer, thus cleaning up other code as well), or both. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/