Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:01:31 +0200
From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
       Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, david@fromorbit.com,
       hch@infradead.org, yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com,
       richard@rsk.demon.co.uk, damien.wyart@free.fr
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v9
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On Mon 08-06-09 14:28:34, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 08 2009, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Mon 08-06-09 11:23:38, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jun 06 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 02:23:40AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > On Fri 05-06-09 20:18:15, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:14:38PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri 05-06-09 21:15:28, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 05 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The result with noop is even more impressive.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > See: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/frederic/dbench-noop.pdf
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Also a comparison, noop with pdflush against noop with bdi writeback:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/frederic/dbench-noop-cmp.pdf
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > OK, so things aren't exactly peachy here to begin with. It may not
> > > > > > > > actually BE an issue, or at least now a new one, but that doesn't mean
> > > > > > > > that we should not attempt to quantify the impact.
> > > > > > >   What looks interesting is also the overall throughput. With pdflush we
> > > > > > > get to 2.5 MB/s + 26 MB/s while with per-bdi we get to 2.7 MB/s + 13 MB/s.
> > > > > > > So per-bdi seems to be *more* fair but throughput suffers a lot (which
> > > > > > > might be inevitable due to incurred seeks).
> > > > > > >   Frederic, how much does dbench achieve for you just on one partition
> > > > > > > (test both consecutively if possible) with as many threads as have those
> > > > > > > two dbench instances together? Thanks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is the graph showing us dbench tput or disk tput?  I'm assuming it is
> > > > > > disk tput, so bdi may just be writing less?
> > > > >   Good, question. I was assuming dbench throughput :).
> > > > > 
> > > > > 									Honza
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah it's dbench. May be that's not the right tool to measure the writeback
> > > > layer, even though dbench results are necessarily influenced by the writeback
> > > > behaviour.
> > > > 
> > > > May be I should use something else?
> > > > 
> > > > Note that if you want I can put some surgicals trace_printk()
> > > > in fs/fs-writeback.c
> > > 
> > > FWIW, I ran a similar test here just now. CFQ was used, two partitions
> > > on an (otherwise) idle drive. I used 30 clients per dbench and 600s
> > > runtime. Results are nearly identical, both throughout the run and
> > > total:
> > > 
> > > /dev/sdb1
> > > Throughput 165.738 MB/sec  30 clients  30 procs  max_latency=459.002 ms
> > > 
> > > /dev/sdb2
> > > Throughput 165.773 MB/sec  30 clients  30 procs  max_latency=607.198 ms
> >   Hmm, interesting. 165 MB/sec (in fact 330 MB/sec for that drive) sounds
> > like quite a lot ;). This usually happens with dbench when the processes
> > manage to delete / redirty data before writeback thread gets to them (so
> > some IO happens in memory only and throughput is bound by the CPU / memory
> > speed). So I think you are on a different part of the performance curve
> > than Frederic. Probably you have to run with more threads so that dbench
> > threads get throttled because of total amount of dirty data generated...
> 
> Certainly, the actual disk data rate was consistenctly in the
> 60-70MB/sec region. The issue is likely that the box has 6GB of RAM, if
> I boot with less than 30 clients will do.
  Yes, that would do as well.

> But unless the situation changes radically with memory pressure, it
> still shows a fair distribution of IO between the two. Since they have
> identical results throughout, it should be safe to assume that the have
> equal bandwidth distribution at the disk end. A fast dbench run is one
  Yes, I agree. Your previous test indirectly shows fair distribution
on the disk end (with blktrace you could actually confirm it directly).

> that doesn't touch the disk at all, once you start touching disk you
> lose :-)

									Honza  
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
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