Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756344AbZFKQwm (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:52:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753397AbZFKQwf (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:52:35 -0400 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:33174 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752379AbZFKQwe (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:52:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:52:26 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Ingo Molnar , "David S. Miller" , Stephane Eranian , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Mackerras , Peter Zijlstra , Andrew Morton , Thomas Gleixner Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Performance Counters for Linux Message-ID: <20090611165226.GV8633@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <20090611160329.GA3366@elte.hu> <20090611161714.GA5008@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 29 On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:26:55AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > > Err, no. This adds tons of userspace code into tools/ which > > should not be in the kernel tree but a proper package. > > I disagree. > > We've had tons of cases where we tried to "separate" the user-land code > and the kernel code, in the name of "beauty" of whatever. > > It's almost invariably a disaster. > > Look at oprofile. F*ck me, what a horrid piece of crap. Yes. So's sysfs, so's udev, so's hal, so's any number of revolting strings of intertwined copulating tapeworms hanging off the kernel's arse. Do you consider "put into tools/" as permission to change interface at will? More to the point, do the authors of that stuff consider it as such? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/