Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758581AbZFKTuZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:50:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754631AbZFKTuP (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:50:15 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:56788 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753808AbZFKTuO (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:50:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds X-X-Sender: torvalds@localhost.localdomain To: David Newall cc: Pekka Enberg , Christoph Hellwig , Peter Zijlstra , Al Viro , Ingo Molnar , "David S. Miller" , Stephane Eranian , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Mackerras , Andrew Morton , Thomas Gleixner Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Performance Counters for Linux In-Reply-To: <4A315C9F.8050908@davidnewall.com> Message-ID: References: <20090611160329.GA3366@elte.hu> <20090611161714.GA5008@infradead.org> <20090611165226.GV8633@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <1244739378.6691.540.camel@laptop> <20090611170015.GA3651@infradead.org> <84144f020906111059g6e25a090y4434cfd698f84fb4@mail.gmail.com> <4A3148AA.9000007@davidnewall.com> <4A314F37.2080202@davidnewall.com> <4A3155E3.3030603@davidnewall.com> <4A315C9F.8050908@davidnewall.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (LFD 1184 2008-12-16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 28 On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, David Newall wrote: > Linus Torvalds wrote: > > To take the oprofile example that decided it for me: the code to actually > > support new processors was all done by basically kernel developers. And it > > didn't hit user land for almost a year, because the user-land tools didn't > > take the patch and propagate it up. > > Bad developer, Spot, you only did half the job. Not sure there's much > more one can say. Umm. The kernel developer _did_ do the job. The patch to the user land side was available for that whole year. It just didn't get merged, and then didn't get merged some more, and then got merged but only in a SVN tree, not a release, and then finally when I did a bugzilla request to fedora, they took the patch and put it in their distro. Anyway, it's clearly not worth discussing this with you. I've tried. I give up. Happily, I don't _need_ to convince you. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/