Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:02:40 +0200
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Ben Dooks <ben@fluff.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
       Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
       David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, swetland@google.com,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
       san@android.com, rlove@google.com
Subject: Re: HTC Dream aka. t-mobile g1 support
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nOn Sat 2009-06-13 01:30:16, Ben Dooks wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:24:45PM +0200, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:15:10AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 13:38 +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 05:00:30AM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > > > > From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:49:12 +0100
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I can not keep up with the number of patches that need to be
> > > > > > reviewed and ultimately merged.  I know this, and I freely admit it,
> > > > > > and I have done so on many occasions.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then split up the responsibilities to other people instead of being
> > > > > the choke point.  Controlling everything isn't so important.
> > > > 
> > > > Don't you think that I've been trying to get other people to be more
> > > > involved?
> > > > 
> > > > - I've been pushing people to send patches to the relevent mailing
> > > >   list(s) and maintainer(s) for years.
> > > > 
> > > > - I've been pushing people to send their ARM patches to the ARM
> > > >   mailing list rather than directly into the patch system for review
> > > >   (it even has a comment telling people this) so that others can get
> > > >   involved in reviewing them, and sharing that work load.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you think either have been anywhere near successful?
> > > []
> > > > I've been trying to get greater participation
> > > > but it's just not happening.
> > > 
> > > I suggest you stop using subscriber-only mailing lists and
> > > use linux-arm@vger.kernel.org.
> > 
> > This is main point here is to offload Russell.
> > One way to offload Russell is to have competent people reviewing platform
> > code for ARM. This is best done by other platform people.
> > Me and you - we can helpt. But the people where we need higher
> > involvement are already on the list.
> 
> Personally, I'm not on linux-arm@vger.kernel.org and don't plan on
> being there either. If people are too stupid to read the maintainers
> entry and realise that linux-arm-kernel is moderated and they might
> thus have to subscribe to post there then they can be safely ignored.

Really? So IDE maintainers have to subscribe before when they want to
discuss ARM&CF issues? Sleep maintainers have to subscribe when they
want to discuss sleep&ARM?

You are offending people by first adding unneccessary & annoying steps
to their workflow, and then calling them "too stupid" if they don't
follow your stupid rules. (Sometimes subscribing takes _weeks_!)

Yes, everyone should just join linux-arm@vger.kernel.org. What is the
_advantage_ of heave heavilly moderated mailing list?
								Pavel
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