Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:50 +0200
From: Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
       Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, fbl@redhat.com, nhorman@redhat.com,
       davem@redhat.com, htejun@gmail.com, jarkao2@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com,
       davidel@xmailserver.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv5 2/2] memory barrier: adding smp_mb__after_lock
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On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:01:35AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Jiri Olsa (jolsa@redhat.com) wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:18:16PM +0200, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 01:18:48PM +0200, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 12:25:30PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:24:38AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > * Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ingo Molnar a ?crit :
> > > > > > > > > * Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >> +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/spinlock.h
> > > > > > > > >> @@ -302,4 +302,7 @@ static inline void __raw_write_unlock(raw_rwlock_t *rw)
> > > > > > > > >>  #define _raw_read_relax(lock)	cpu_relax()
> > > > > > > > >>  #define _raw_write_relax(lock)	cpu_relax()
> > > > > > > > >>  
> > > > > > > > >> +/* The {read|write|spin}_lock() on x86 are full memory barriers. */
> > > > > > > > >> +#define smp_mb__after_lock() do { } while (0)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Two small stylistic comments, please make this an inline function:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > static inline void smp_mb__after_lock(void) { }
> > > > > > > > > #define smp_mb__after_lock
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > (untested)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >> +/* The lock does not imply full memory barrier. */
> > > > > > > > >> +#ifndef smp_mb__after_lock
> > > > > > > > >> +#define smp_mb__after_lock() smp_mb()
> > > > > > > > >> +#endif
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ditto.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 	Ingo
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This was following existing implementations of various smp_mb__??? helpers :
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > # grep -4 smp_mb__before_clear_bit include/asm-generic/bitops.h
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /*
> > > > > > > >  * clear_bit may not imply a memory barrier
> > > > > > > >  */
> > > > > > > > #ifndef smp_mb__before_clear_bit
> > > > > > > > #define smp_mb__before_clear_bit()      smp_mb()
> > > > > > > > #define smp_mb__after_clear_bit()       smp_mb()
> > > > > > > > #endif
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Did i mention that those should be fixed too? :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 	Ingo
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ok, could I include it in the 2/2 or you prefer separate patch?
> > > > > 
> > > > > depends on whether it will regress ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > If it regresses, it's better to have it separate. If it wont, it can 
> > > > > be included. If unsure, default to the more conservative option.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	Ingo
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > how about this.. 
> > > > and similar change for smp_mb__before_clear_bit in a separate patch
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/arch/x86/include/asm/spinlock.h b/arch/x86/include/asm/spinlock.h
> > > > index b7e5db8..4e77853 100644
> > > > --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/spinlock.h
> > > > +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/spinlock.h
> > > > @@ -302,4 +302,8 @@ static inline void __raw_write_unlock(raw_rwlock_t *rw)
> > > >  #define _raw_read_relax(lock)	cpu_relax()
> > > >  #define _raw_write_relax(lock)	cpu_relax()
> > > >  
> > > > +/* The {read|write|spin}_lock() on x86 are full memory barriers. */
> > > > +static inline void smp_mb__after_lock(void) { }
> > > > +#define ARCH_HAS_SMP_MB_AFTER_LOCK
> > > > +
> > > >  #endif /* _ASM_X86_SPINLOCK_H */
> > > > diff --git a/include/linux/spinlock.h b/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > > index 252b245..4be57ab 100644
> > > > --- a/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > > +++ b/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > > @@ -132,6 +132,11 @@ do {								\
> > > >  #endif /*__raw_spin_is_contended*/
> > > >  #endif
> > > >  
> > > > +/* The lock does not imply full memory barrier. */
> > > > +#ifndef ARCH_HAS_SMP_MB_AFTER_LOCK
> > > > +static inline void smp_mb__after_lock(void) { smp_mb(); }
> > > > +#endif
> > > > +
> > > >  /**
> > > >   * spin_unlock_wait - wait until the spinlock gets unlocked
> > > >   * @lock: the spinlock in question.
> > > > diff --git a/include/net/sock.h b/include/net/sock.h
> > > > index 4eb8409..98afcd9 100644
> > > > --- a/include/net/sock.h
> > > > +++ b/include/net/sock.h
> > > > @@ -1271,6 +1271,9 @@ static inline int sk_has_allocations(const struct sock *sk)
> > > >   * in its cache, and so does the tp->rcv_nxt update on CPU2 side.  The CPU1
> > > >   * could then endup calling schedule and sleep forever if there are no more
> > > >   * data on the socket.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * The sk_has_helper is always called right after a call to read_lock, so we
> > > > + * can use smp_mb__after_lock barrier.
> > > >   */
> > > >  static inline int sk_has_sleeper(struct sock *sk)
> > > >  {
> > > > @@ -1280,7 +1283,7 @@ static inline int sk_has_sleeper(struct sock *sk)
> > > >  	 *
> > > >  	 * This memory barrier is paired in the sock_poll_wait.
> > > >  	 */
> > > > -	smp_mb();
> > > > +	smp_mb__after_lock();
> > > >  	return sk->sk_sleep && waitqueue_active(sk->sk_sleep);
> > > >  }
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > any feedback on this? 
> > > I'd send v6 if this way is acceptable..
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > jirka
> > 
> > also I checked the smp_mb__before_clear_bit/smp_mb__after_clear_bit and
> > it is used quite extensivelly.
> > 
> > I'd prefer to send it in a separate patch, so we can move on with the 
> > changes I've sent so far..
> > 
> 
> As with any optimization (and this is one that adds a semantic that will
> just grow the memory barrier/locking rule complexity), it should come
> with performance benchmarks showing real-life improvements.
> 
> Otherwise I'd recommend sticking to smp_mb() if this execution path is
> not that critical, or to move to RCU if it's _that_ critical.
> 
> A valid argument would be if the data structures protected are so
> complex that RCU is out of question but still the few cycles saved by
> removing a memory barrier are really significant. And even then, the
> proper solution would be more something like a
> __read_lock()+smp_mb+smp_mb+__read_unlock(), so we get the performance
> improvements on architectures other than x86 as well.
> 
> So in all cases, I don't think the smp_mb__after_lock() is the
> appropriate solution.

well, I'm not that familiar with RCU, but I dont mind to omit the smp_mb__after_lock 
change as long as the first one (1/2) stays :)

how about others, any ideas?

thanks,
jirka
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> > regards,
> > jirka
> 
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