Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:11:21 -0700
From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] RO/NX protection for loadable kernel modules
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:51:55 +0930
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:02:27 am Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
> > > Yes, maybe that's better than kmalloc.  On my laptop I have 105
> > > modules loaded, with 3778464 total length: I'm wasting 206944
> > > bytes on unused tails of pages.  But that's only 0.06% of my
> > > memory.
> >
> > 105 is also a sign that you picked a somewhat suboptimal config...
> > that's of course your choice but it's a choice that has a small
> > price, if you don't want to pay that price, changing the config to
> > not be entirely insane is a good answer as well ;-)
> 
> To be clear: I run distro kernels on my laptop (Ubuntu in this
> case).  I think this is what we should be optimizing for, or we
> should offer the distros something better than modules.

working for a distro myself... yes I like modules for drivers.
But I also know the thinking about modules in distros is changing a bit.
It used to be "everything must be a module", but that thinking is
changing to be a bit more balanced. Things that would be loaded always
are being built in now more and more; Greg is doing that for SuSE, Dave
has been doing that for Fedora, I've been doing it for Moblin and I
think Ubuntu is also going in that direction as well. 

Modules have some overhead in various places (both load and runtime)
that justifies applying ones brain when making choices for distribution
kernels.

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