Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:52:43 +0200
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] accessibility, speakup, speech synthesis & /sys
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> > > > If the word is so long that you have to write number of its letters
> > > > inside... then you are using wrong word.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately that's the word.  If the very notion of accessibility was
> > > realized by mankind earlier maybe we'd have had a shorter word for it.
> > 
> > "speech" would seem good enough substitute.
> 
> For the speech case. Then you could have braille, speech recognition,
> etc.

Well, but maybe braile and speech recognition _don't_ belong together? 

> > > I'd actually say it's particularly not adequate.  Try to feed your dmesg
> > > to a speech synthesizer and try to understand it.
> > 
> > Do you really expect blind people to do kernel hacking?
> 
> They do.  Why shouldn't they be able to?
...
> > > > You know... "normal" consoles (such as vt) do fail sometimes, too.
> > > 
> > > Yes, and in such case sighted and blind users are on equal basis.  In
> > > that case there is no need for a particular support for blind people.
> > 
> > You know, we do not translate kernel messages into other languages,
> > either. So maybe we should make sure that Linux machines can be used
> > without reading dmesg, and just do it from initrd?
> 
> People can learn english. Blind people can't learn seeing.

I guess for such case, serial console to machine with running system
(with speech synthesis/braille/etc) is the way to go. Anything else
just will not work early enough.
									Pavel
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