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On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:09:40AM +0300, Hans Reiser wrote:
> I am sorry, but arguing over whether network filesystems have their 
> functionality outside the filesystem is not an argument I respect enough 
> to engage in.  Clearcase is a filesystem.  Views are built into the 
> filesystem.
> It has user space utilities.  It is still a filesystem despite having 
> user space utilities, and its functionality is in the filesystem.  

I guess I'm not going to convince you, but again I think that "its
functionality is in the filesystem" is misleading.  A small fraction
of its functionality is in the filesystem.  Checkin, etc is not in
the filesystem.  You can use all Clearcase functions without the
filesystem.

You seem to be talking about putting all RCS functions in the
filesystem, using a minimum of new operation (open flags, ioctls),
and I'm saying you can't legitimately point to Clearcase and claim
"it's been done".

Andrew
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