Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754764AbZIJALf (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:11:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754598AbZIJALe (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:11:34 -0400 Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.27]:54563 "EHLO qw-out-2122.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752775AbZIJALd (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4AA84436.3050205@codemonkey.ws> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:11:34 -0500 From: Anthony Liguori User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090825) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge CC: Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , "linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" , "pv-drivers@vmware.com" , LKML , virtualization , "Chetan.Loke@Emulex.Com" , James Bottomley , akataria@vmware.com, Rolf Eike Beer Subject: Re: [PATCH] SCSI driver for VMware's virtual HBA - V4. References: <1252458903.24914.73.camel@ank32.eng.vmware.com> <4AA8177A.2020606@codemonkey.ws> <1252533093.24633.40.camel@ank32.eng.vmware.com> <4AA8284A.3010908@codemonkey.ws> <20090909230854.GA4495@infradead.org> <4AA83B88.2020104@codemonkey.ws> <4AA84020.6040504@goop.org> In-Reply-To: <4AA84020.6040504@goop.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1146 Lines: 35 Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote: > On 09/09/09 16:34, Anthony Liguori wrote: > >> We haven't even been successful in getting the Xen folks to present >> their work on lkml before shipping it to their users. Why would we >> expect more from VMware if we're willing to merge the Xen stuff? >> >> > > The Xen code may be out of tree, but it has always been readily > available from a well-known place. I don't think its comparable. > Once an ABI is set in stone, there's very little that can be done on lkml to review the ABI in any serious way. VMware has repeatedly done this in the past. Ship a product with their own drivers, then submit something to lkml saying that the ABI cannot be changed because it's present in a shipping product. I'll admit, Xen hasn't been as bad as VMware in this regard, but it's certainly not perfect either. Regards, Anthony Liguori > J > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/