Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:30:20 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
       "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
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       mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
       fweisbec@gmail.com, acme@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
       mhiramat@redhat.com, postmaster@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users
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* David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:

> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:47:25 +0200
> 
> > Could you please also create the linux-perf-users list, for perf 
> > events and the perf tool related user questions? (We have asked for 
> > this before but must have gotten lost somewhere)
> 
> I think your communities are similar enough and small enough that you 
> could share this list.

It's two separate subsystems. There's a lot of non-tracing aspects of 
performance events: it does profiling, counting, latency analysis, etc. 
The tool is named 'perf', the subsystem is named 'performance events', 
and the most typical workflows dont do any tracing.

And i beg to differ about the size of the communities. It's just been 
added upstream...

Also, what is the policy for adding new lists to vger.kernel.org? If a 
subsystem maintainer asks for a list named after a core kernel 
subsystem, how frequently is it rejected, and on what basis?

I find it sad that such an arbitrary looking negative decision from you 
forces a user list away from vger. I wouldnt mind it to be closed if it 
has no significant traffic after a year or lifetime or so - many vger 
lists have almost no traffic to begin with.

Also, i cannot help but to observe the fact that you've fought the 
original perfcounters project in a very ugly and public way less than a 
year ago. Dont you think that you 'deciding' this matter in such a 
negative fashion is a conflict of interest?

	Ingo
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