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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:40:12 +0200
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Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users
From: John Kacur <jkacur@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> * David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
>> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:47:25 +0200
>>
>> > Could you please also create the linux-perf-users list, for perf
>> > events and the perf tool related user questions? (We have asked for
>> > this before but must have gotten lost somewhere)
>>
>> I think your communities are similar enough and small enough that you
>> could share this list.
>
> It's two separate subsystems. There's a lot of non-tracing aspects of
> performance events: it does profiling, counting, latency analysis, etc.
> The tool is named 'perf', the subsystem is named 'performance events',
> and the most typical workflows dont do any tracing.
>
> And i beg to differ about the size of the communities. It's just been
> added upstream...
>
> Also, what is the policy for adding new lists to vger.kernel.org? If a
> subsystem maintainer asks for a list named after a core kernel
> subsystem, how frequently is it rejected, and on what basis?
>
> I find it sad that such an arbitrary looking negative decision from you
> forces a user list away from vger. I wouldnt mind it to be closed if it
> has no significant traffic after a year or lifetime or so - many vger
> lists have almost no traffic to begin with.
>
> Also, i cannot help but to observe the fact that you've fought the
> original perfcounters project in a very ugly and public way less than a
> year ago. Dont you think that you 'deciding' this matter in such a
> negative fashion is a conflict of interest?
>
> ? ? ? ?Ingo

Yikes - Ingo, I don't want to spawn a long thread here about what to
call the list, but
as a native English speaker, I think that "linux-trace-users" sounds
much nicer than
"linux-tracing-users".

Perhaps, trace is an adjective describing the kind of users, in any
case, it doesn't
sound like "one trace" - so, could we go this one?
(if you insist on linux-tracing then you have to drop the word "users")

John
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