Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751535AbZIWTlo (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:41:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751315AbZIWTll (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:41:41 -0400 Received: from mx2.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.151.9]:39510 "EHLO mx2.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751202AbZIWTlk (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:41:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:41:22 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: David Miller , Andrew Morton , linux@elte.hu, "H. Peter Anvin" , Thomas Gleixner Cc: rostedt@goodmis.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, fweisbec@gmail.com, acme@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de, mhiramat@redhat.com, postmaster@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users Message-ID: <20090923194122.GB20934@elte.hu> References: <1253132182.20020.242.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com> <20090922.153201.225375909.davem@davemloft.net> <20090923114823.GC4132@elte.hu> <20090923.111245.193724900.davem@davemloft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090923.111245.193724900.davem@davemloft.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ELTE-SpamScore: -1.5 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-1.5 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.2.5 -1.5 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2341 Lines: 62 * David Miller wrote: > From: Ingo Molnar > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:48:23 +0200 > > > > > * David Miller wrote: > > > >> From: Steven Rostedt > >> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:16:22 -0400 > >> > >> > What are people's thoughts about creating a linux-trace-users > >> > mailing list on vger.kernel.org? > >> > >> I've created this list. > > > > btw., could you please change the name to linux-tracing-users? > > That's the name of the subsystem and the name of the activity as > > well. A 'trace' is just (one) end result of that activity. > > No, the name is arbitrary and people are already propagating the > existience of the name that has been chosen already. > > SOrry. David, i have asked for the proper name _BEFORE_ you have created it, yesterday. I also asked you again today to change the name _minutes_ after you mailed about the sucky 'linux-trace-users@vger.kernel.org' name. You ignored all that. I dont know about you, but the activity is 'tracing' not 'trace'. People mailing to that list want to talk about 'tracing' - not about a 'trace'. What is a 'trace user'? It makes no sense and is a misnomer. The subsystem entry in MAINTAINERS clearly says: TRACING M: Steven Rostedt M: Frederic Weisbecker M: Ingo Molnar T: git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/linux-2.6-tip.git tracing/core S: Maintained It's no secret that you and me dont get along too well and have been involved in a number of very public spats in the past year or so. I do think your actions here are designed to hurt the tracing (and also the perf events) subsystems just because i'm co-maintaining them, and i think that you are in a heavy conflict of interest over it. You should have recused yourself from this decision - i suspect there's other, less biased people outside of you who can create new mailing lists on vger.kernel.org. They might refuse my request with some real reason. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/