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From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>
To: Luis Correia <luis.f.correia@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Current status of rt2800usb and staging/rt2870
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:41:00 +0200
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On Wednesday 14 October 2009 20:26:49 Luis Correia wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 18:33, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
> <bzolnier@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 18:47:11 John W. Linville wrote:
> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:28:21PM +0200, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't have a have a problem with it personally as long as people accept
> >> > the competition..  but instead of working on _their_ projects they go around
> >> > screaming at everybody who does not want to spin inside the great process
> >> > designed by them..
> >>
> >> Please whine somewhere else.  You have the freedom to work in
> >> drivers/staging all you want.  You do not have the power to force us to
> >> like it -- especially in a case where you are diverting attention from
> >> the community-maintained drivers instead of cooperating with them.
> >
> > Cooperating you say.
> >
> > rtl8187 -- before starting the work on rtl8187se I've pinged the maintainer
> > to coordinate the effort and hear his opinion on how to progress..
> >
> > I've never heard back.
> >
> > rt2x00 -- I know that people have datasheets for some chipsets but I've
> > never heard "How can we help you" etc. thing.
> 
> I have all the datasheets that Ralink supplied to us.
> All of them are PRELIMINARY and most have errors, and therefore useless.
> 
> All useful information is in the crap drivers.
> 
> Ralink never provide better ones, and even our 'inside guy' says the
> hardware documentation guys are always very late in providing more
> info.
> 
> So, for me, it isn't lack of documentation that will ever help, believe me.
> 
> >
> > All I've ever heard was _lies_ about current state of affairs or that
> > my work is in the way.
> 
> AFAICS, your work was never questioned, at least by me.
> You are welcome to work on rt2x00 , that was also never a problem. All
> you would need is join in.
> 
> Ralink also said they were commited to present drivers for new chipset
> to be mac80211 compliant, we're waiting on that.
> 
> So, you're really welcome to join the rt2x00 team Bartlomiej, the only
> thing we ask is that all work should be done using the existing
> rt2x00lib, rt2x00pci and rt2x00usb base 'libraries'.

Well, I will still continue to work on staging drivers:

- I need to understand vendor drivers better before doing any larger rt2x00
  modifications.  Cleaning it up is just an added value while reading it..

- I feel quite comfortable working on de-convoluting crappy code and has years
  of experience of doing it.

- I'm still using Ralink hardware personally so I need something that provides
  the basic usability _now_.

but since I'm also going to start adding some missing bits to rt2x00 soon
I would be happy to join rt2x00 project..
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