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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:47:54 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] nconfig v4
From: Nir Tzachar <nir.tzachar@gmail.com>
To: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
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       zippel@linux-m68k.org
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Hi Sam.

>
> Hi Nir.
>
> I have used nconfig for a while now and I prefer it over menuconfig.
> nconfig tries to be a clone of menuconfig in meny respects failing
> to address some of the shortcomings.
>
> Some of the caveats I have with nconfig (and with menuconfig):
>
> - We have the buttons in the bottom of the sceen.
> ?What I would like to see is that the "<Select>" button are removed.
> ?And then you use some other way to indicate if a menu line is
> ?selected or one of the other buttons are selected.
> ?You will need to rethink arrow navigation a little..

This is easier said than done.... You need some kind of tabbing
behaviour between the main menu and the button menu. I think it would
just become more cumbersome this way. I'm open for better suggestions
though.

> - When I enter 2nd level I would like two possibilities:
> ?<Back> and <Exit>
> ?<Exit> would bring me to the save dialog (if anything had changed)
> ?<Back> would bring me up one level

I agree. This is a good idea.

> - Do not try to be so 'intelligent' with hotkeys. They are _always_ the first letter
> ?in the menu line and be done with that.
> ?Lines that start with "M" then does not have any hotkey - they must live with that

However, there are more letters than 'M': N (for No), Y (for Yes), Q
(for quit), H (for Help),
i,j,k,l (for navigation). This leaves many menu items without a
hotkey, which I think would not be convenient.

> - The help dialog need an "OK" button or a "Close" button so I know that
> ?I can select it to get out again.

This can easily be achieved by placing a highlighted text with 'Close'
on the bottom, and exiting the dialog when the user presses 'Enter'

> - The save dialog is broken. I cannot use the ESC ESC option and that was
> ?a hack anyway.
> ?If I press "ESC" then I should be back at nconfig.
> ?I would expect the save dialog to have three choises:
> ?"Close without saving"
> ?"Cancel"
> ?"Save"

Ok, will be fixed.

> Have you looked at xconfig and considered if any of the features of
> xconfig would be useful in nconfig?
> See debug stuff, etc...?

I'll see if I can incorporate the debug option. Maybe by adding a
configuration dialog??

> My thinking is that we should try to make nconfig the default for menuconfig
> at least in -next. Then we will see some comments...
> But try if you can improve the above points first.

Sure. I hope to have a new version in a few days.
Thanks.
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