Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758289AbZKDWFO (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:05:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758280AbZKDWFN (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:05:13 -0500 Received: from artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ([195.113.26.195]:56883 "EHLO artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758267AbZKDWFM (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:05:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:05:17 +0100 (CET) From: Mikulas Patocka To: kevin granade cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Martin Nybo Andersen , Alan Cox , "Ryan C. Gordon" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: package managers [was: FatELF patches...] In-Reply-To: <7004b08e0911041332x259c02afg612be7eb02e4d6bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20091104165407.1481bc29@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <200911041848.48721.tweek@tweek.dk> <22108.1257364949@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <23950.1257367315@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <7004b08e0911041332x259c02afg612be7eb02e4d6bb@mail.gmail.com> X-Personality-Disorder: Schizoid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1334 Lines: 28 > I think the important question here is what is is exactly that the > package manager *did* to break the app you are talking about? It interferred with my will to install the version of the software that I want. > be, and not magically be able to discern that you've replaced one of > the most core packages in the system (which, by the way is most > definitely not something that %99.999 of users are going to try) If you need new 3D driver because of better gaming performance ... if you need new lame because it encodes mp3 better ... if you need new libsane because it supports the new scanner that you have ... you are going to face the same problems like me when I needed new binutils. But the big problem is that persons needing these things usually don't have enough skills to install the software on their own and then fight with the package management system. On Windows, the user can just download the EXE, run it, click next-next-next-finish and have it installed. There is no package management that would try to overwrite what you have just installed. Mikulas -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/