Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757645AbZKNAPc (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:15:32 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757695AbZKNAPa (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:15:30 -0500 Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.78.26]:21166 "EHLO ey-out-2122.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757664AbZKNAP0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:15:26 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:message-id:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dynVNiEtt8rKwI6XEWKIg9sZeV0idLwkrgPyk0ESw5N5StpffcgGBq23+Av4KxdCXp 1dkM2Yo3wnnwJw9gaQUmpPrHP7I9rv3/EgdDHkOz8gOuSUU4yw4z1xmbyGOkh0TtEuWV v8e8FK1QSFsWdbyKXduTDHk06XVIE5dzh1hpw= From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz To: Alan Cox Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: remove experimental tag on PATA drivers Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:14:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.2 (Linux/2.6.31.5-96.fc12.x86_64; KDE/4.3.2; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Robert Hancock , "linux-kernel" , ide , Jeff Garzik , Jonathan Corbet References: <4AFCC0D4.9020708@gmail.com> <20091113182515.38fb3793@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <200911140046.29450.bzolnier@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200911140046.29450.bzolnier@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200911140114.24766.bzolnier@gmail.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2101 Lines: 47 On Saturday 14 November 2009 00:46:29 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > On Friday 13 November 2009 19:25:15 Alan Cox wrote: > > > Fine but please update status of following host drivers that were > > > marked as "stable" prematurely by commit e3389cb first: > > > > > > PATA_PDC_OLD: needs to be marked as EXPERIMENTAL (or just BROKEN) > > > - known reliability problems with UDMA > > > > A few odd reports apparently linked to specific chip revs. It's at > > least as stable as the old IDE one which doesn't work on my hardware. I'd > > Skipping the technical merit of the quoted text for the moment -- I find > the fact that you keep calling the present IDE host drivers (that many > developers helped to fix) as "old" ones or "buggy" ones rather degrading > for their (this includes me of course) hard work. > > Especially given your complete lack of familiarity with post-2004 changes. > > See for yourself, *50* mostly _trivial_ patches during *5* years: > > [ "git log --follow --since="5 years ago" drivers/ide|grep "Author: Alan Cox" -B1 -A3" > output edited for easier reading ] I've also looked at ATA side of the things for the last *3* years now: $ git log --follow --since="3 years ago" drivers/ata|grep "Author: Alan Cox"|wc -l 173 [ ~5 patches a month and most of the work was to bring PATA on the level that old IDE code has offered back in 2005.. ] also before people start calling me names or teach me about "accumulated credibility" concept: I'm in no way trying to deny people's past achievements (hey, I got inspired by Alan's work myself in early days) but I would like to raise the awareness that these days it is a way more difficult than it was in the past to make significant and/or large scale changes so new people are stuck in Catch22 when it comes to "accumulated credibility".. -- Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/