Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754572AbZKWNce (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:32:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754300AbZKWNcd (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:32:33 -0500 Received: from earthlight.etchedpixels.co.uk ([81.2.110.250]:58759 "EHLO www.etchedpixels.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754282AbZKWNcc (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:32:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:34:23 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Mike Galbraith , Robert Swan , Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [bisected] pty performance problem Message-ID: <20091123133423.64f34c73@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20091123120409.GA32009@elte.hu> References: <20091121222319.GA3905@swanrl.gmail.com> <20091122063926.GA18224@elte.hu> <20091122122312.71a343d9@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <1258952431.6261.38.camel@marge.simson.net> <20091123113110.15063a0a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20091123114845.GC25575@elte.hu> <20091123115949.29bcf89d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20091123120409.GA32009@elte.hu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.3 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 36 > > So you'd prefer to detect devices that are byte based or message based > > by what method ? > > I'd not delay the worklet by default - i.e. i'd do Mike's patch. Certainly stuff like pty should not delay > > Havent tested all effects of it though - do you have any estimation > about negative effects from such a change? We do have hard numbers > (latencies in the millisecs range) from the opposite direction and those > numbers arent pretty. On a PC I'm not too worried - we might burn a bit more CPU and Arjan might even manage to measure it somewhere. There is the theoretical bad case where we end up at 100% CPU because the irq, wake, process one char, irq wake, process one char sequence fits the CPU so we don't sleep. Embedded might be more of a concern, the old behaviour comes from 386/486 days with low CPU power. USB doesn't worry me - USB devices generally have their own buffering algorithm and use a timer so that they batch data efficiently into USB buffers. The drivers/serial layer is often run with low latency set anyway so that seems to be ok for the most part. Give it a go, send the patch to the maintainer, try it in -next and see if anyone screams. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/