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Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel
 IR  system?
From: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:45:59 +0200
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On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 11:45 -0500, Jon Smirl wrote: 
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Maxim Levitsky
> <maximlevitsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 16:25 +0100, Krzysztof Halasa wrote:
> >> Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> >> And that's good. Especially for a popular and simple protocol such as
> >> >> RC5.
> >> >> Actually, it's not about adding the decoder. It's about fixing it.
> >> >> I can fix it.
> >> >
> >> > This is nonsense.
> >>
> >> You forgot to say why do you think so.
> >
> > Because frankly, I am sick of this discussion.
> > Generic decoder that lirc has is actually much better and more tolerant
> > that protocol specific decoders that you propose,
> 
> Porting the decoder engine from lirc into the kernel is also a possibility.
> 
> I'm asking to have an architecture design discussion, not to pick one
> of the various implementations. This is something that we have to live
> with for twenty years and it is a giant pain to change if we get wrong
> initially.
> 
> > You claim you 'fix' the decoder, right?
> > But what about all these lirc userspace drivers?
> > How they are supposed to use that 'fixed' decoder.
> 
> Some of that user space hardware belongs in the trash can and will
> never work reliably in a modern system. For example - sitting in a
> tight user space loop reading the DTS bit from a serial port or
> parallel port and then using the system clock to derive IR timings.
> That process is going to be inaccurate or it is going to make video
> frames drop. Big banging from user space is completely unreliable.
> 
> If you really want to use your microphone input as a DAC channel, run
> a little app that reads the ALSA input and converts it to a timing
> stream and then inject this data into the kernel input system using
> uevent.
> 
> Both of these are hobbyist class solutions. They are extremely cheap
> but they are unreliable and create large CPU loads.  But some people
> want to use a $300 CPU to eliminate $2 worth of IR hardware. This type
> of hardware will continue to work via event injection. But neither of
> these solutions belong in the kernel.


> 
> What are other examples of user space IR drivers?
> 

many libusb based drivers?

Regards,
Maxim Levitsky

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