Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754240AbZLAUMD (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:12:03 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752496AbZLAUMD (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:12:03 -0500 Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com ([209.85.216.174]:64776 "EHLO mail-px0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750999AbZLAUMB (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:12:01 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=Txv/bkc5YkHTBnzU7vF950gS+JCiC6gDG8hnkZg7gVKckXLE8ooenJvN6bqdVy4uCd sT4i/jb/rBtq5CVUoZw8Ol6EGJ5l95+Jqh+dCxIhdf137J15rpDFqwSphQMEHVqYckA7 YCCCH2+tJX+CNVDfk3C26dgRW21BP8hsqhHhw= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:11:58 -0800 From: Dmitry Torokhov To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Devin Heitmueller , Jon Smirl , Maxim Levitsky , awalls@radix.net, j@jannau.net, jarod@redhat.com, jarod@wilsonet.com, khc@pm.waw.pl, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, lirc-list@lists.sourceforge.net, superm1@ubuntu.com, Christoph Bartelmus Subject: Re: [RFC v2] Another approach to IR Message-ID: <20091201201158.GA20335@core.coreip.homeip.net> References: <9e4733910912010708u1064e2c6mbc08a01293c3e7fd@mail.gmail.com> <1259682428.18599.10.camel@maxim-laptop> <9e4733910912010816q32e829a2uce180bfda69ef86d@mail.gmail.com> <4B154C54.5090906@redhat.com> <829197380912010909m59cb1078q5bd2e00af0368aaf@mail.gmail.com> <4B155288.1060509@redhat.com> <20091201175400.GA19259@core.coreip.homeip.net> <4B1567D8.7080007@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B1567D8.7080007@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2523 Lines: 61 On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 05:00:40PM -0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 03:29:44PM -0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > >> For sure we need to add an EVIOSETPROTO ioctl to allow the driver > >> to change the protocol in runtime. > >> > > > > Mauro, > > > > I think this kind of confuguration belongs to lirc device space, > > not input/evdev. This is the same as protocol selection for psmouse > > module: while it is normally auto-detected we have sysfs attribute to > > force one or another and it is tied to serio device, not input > > device. > > Dmitry, > > This has nothing to do with the raw interface nor with lirc. This problem > happens with the evdev interface and already affects the in-kernel drivers. > > In this case, psmouse is not a good example. With a mouse, when a movement > occurs, you'll receive some data from its port. So, a software can autodetect > the protocol. The same principle can be used also with a raw pulse/space > interface, where software can autodetect the protocol. Or, in certain cases, it can not. > [... skipped rationale for adding a way to control protocol (with which I agree) ...] > > To solve this, we really need to extend evdev API to do 3 things: enumberate the > supported protocols, get the current protocol(s), and select the protocol(s) that > will be used by a newer table. > And here we start disagreeing. My preference would be for adding this API on lirc device level (i.e. /syc/class/lirc/lircX/blah namespace), since it only applicable to IR, not to input devices in general. Once you selected proper protocol(s) and maybe instantiated several input devices then udev (by examining input device capabilities and optionally looking up at the parent device properties) would use input evdev API to load proper keymap. Because translation of driver-specific codes into standard key definitions is in the input realm. Reading these driver-specific codes from hardware is outside of input layer domain. Just as psmouse ability to specify protocol is not shoved into evdev; just as atkbd quirks (force release key list and other driver-specific options) are not in evdev either; we should not overload evdev interface with IR-specific items. -- Dmitry -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/