Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761895AbZLKAQG (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:16:06 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757467AbZLKAQE (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:16:04 -0500 Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.27]:40546 "EHLO qw-out-2122.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755948AbZLKAQD (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4B219046.3080908@pathscale.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:20:22 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: [git pull] drm References: <1260459601.18520.26.camel@skunk> <6d4bc9fc0912100940l1d2954d0k187ae54bf44a23f5@mail.gmail.com> <6a89f9d50912101153l2b58b07fudf6965b2f5172f7f@mail.gmail.com> <20091210235835.20e2269d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2331 Lines: 55 Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Alan Cox wrote: > >>> But not only is Fedora not following the rules, >>> >> You changed the rules. You require a Signed-off-by:. Fedora can no more >> add a signed off by than you can. It's not their code nor Red Hat's code >> any more than they "own" the kernel because they pay someone to work on >> it. >> > > You're avoiding the point: they are shipping it, they are paying for (at > least some) development, and they seem to not even want to face the issue. > > Sign-offs aren't some new feature that took Red Hat people by surprise. > The "get it merged upstream first" didn't change in any way from it: it > just codified existing practice - of _course_ everybody expects copyrights > to be honored and clear. > > >> It's really simple: if you want to merge it *you* pull it and sign it off. >> If you aren't prepared to do that then ask why Fedora should, its not >> their code either. >> > > I'm not shipping it. They are. That's the difference. > > I realize that you have some emotional attachments to Red Hat, but ask > yourself (and answer honestly): what would you think if some random other > distro was packaging tens of thousands of lines of kernel code and not > apparently working at trying to get them upstream? > > Dave claims it's only been going on for a few months, but quite frankly, > we all know better. The nouveau kernel modules have been shipped for a lot > longer than just F12. > > And it's possible that other distros are doing the same thing. I happen to > know that Fedora does it (and has been doing it for at least a year), > because I happen to have an Intel development machine that runs Fedora and > was shipped by Intel with an nVidia card (and has a power supply that > craps out if you don't use several hundred watts of power, so I can't > change it to something more power-efficient - seriously). > Thanks for the rather lengthly explanation, but in case you missed what people are trying to say here.. With all due respect Linus.. "patches welcome" -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/